The Font Saga Continues: I need your input!
Hi there. The font saga continues. If you haven't been following, here's a blog post and here's a more recent GetSatisfaction topic on the matter.
I have implemented the "Choose your Font" feature, and discovered some things in the process which make me doubt we need that dialog at all.
Once the feature was in place, I followed Michael's idea and chose Architect Small Block as a font to display Mockups. Lo and behold, it looked beautiful. Not only, but Flash was smart enough to create a bold and italic versions of the font, even if the font face doesn't come with a family pack (it just makes the lines thicker or slants them some, I guess).
Here's the result:
For comparison, here's the same mockup with Comic Sans MS:
I hope you'll agree with me that aside from some padding issues (which can be easily fixed), the Architect Small Block version is not just acceptable, but a big step forward.
If you read the blog post above, you'll know that the font's author offered me an application-wide (not user-limited) license to use Architect Small Block for a large but reasonable amount.
So now, assuming his offer still stands, I am faced with three optons:
A - leave the "choose your font" feature in and keep using Comic Sans as the default
B - leave the "choose your font" feature in and buy Architect Small Block to use as the default font
C - just swap out Comic Sans with Architect Small Block and remove the "choose your font" feature completely.
I can't believe I didn't try to investigate option C more until now (well I guess the licensing costs were just too much back then...now it would be a relatively small cost compared to current revenue).
My favorite option would be to do C, but what I want to understand is this: did you guys want to choose a different font just because you wanted to get rid of Comic Sans or for some other reasons?
If it's just Comic Sans that's offensive, would you be happy with just Architect Small Block? Of course I'd still provide a sans-serif font for non-latin alphabets.
BTW, I also discovered that the glyphs for the two fonts are somewhat equivalent, here they are:
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So, assuming I can still get Architect for the same price, should I go for it? I'd like to.
Another option is to do C first, then if people really want to choose their font, add that later (thus becoming B). I'll just put the code aside for a rainy day.
I have implemented the "Choose your Font" feature, and discovered some things in the process which make me doubt we need that dialog at all.
Once the feature was in place, I followed Michael's idea and chose Architect Small Block as a font to display Mockups. Lo and behold, it looked beautiful. Not only, but Flash was smart enough to create a bold and italic versions of the font, even if the font face doesn't come with a family pack (it just makes the lines thicker or slants them some, I guess).
Here's the result:
For comparison, here's the same mockup with Comic Sans MS:
I hope you'll agree with me that aside from some padding issues (which can be easily fixed), the Architect Small Block version is not just acceptable, but a big step forward.
If you read the blog post above, you'll know that the font's author offered me an application-wide (not user-limited) license to use Architect Small Block for a large but reasonable amount.
So now, assuming his offer still stands, I am faced with three optons:
A - leave the "choose your font" feature in and keep using Comic Sans as the default
B - leave the "choose your font" feature in and buy Architect Small Block to use as the default font
C - just swap out Comic Sans with Architect Small Block and remove the "choose your font" feature completely.
I can't believe I didn't try to investigate option C more until now (well I guess the licensing costs were just too much back then...now it would be a relatively small cost compared to current revenue).
My favorite option would be to do C, but what I want to understand is this: did you guys want to choose a different font just because you wanted to get rid of Comic Sans or for some other reasons?
If it's just Comic Sans that's offensive, would you be happy with just Architect Small Block? Of course I'd still provide a sans-serif font for non-latin alphabets.
BTW, I also discovered that the glyphs for the two fonts are somewhat equivalent, here they are:
and
So, assuming I can still get Architect for the same price, should I go for it? I'd like to.
Another option is to do C first, then if people really want to choose their font, add that later (thus becoming B). I'll just put the code aside for a rainy day.
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Inappropriate?BTW, if you'd like to test the "Choose Font" feature while it's in the product, it's live here: http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mock...
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Inappropriate?I would appreciate the new font WITHOUT the choice.
Basically I enjoy using Mockups because I can get in, do a bunch of nice layout work and NOT BE TEMPTED TO SPEND/WASTE TIME making it look "finished". Don't get me wrong, I think the product is great - it's more in the thinking like your "least possible UI options" statement.
In my workflow, my users will understand the concepts of the UI, and they ALSO understand that this is a mockup. In the past, I'd get questions like, "so we've come a long way, can we play with this screen tomorrow/next week/next month?", because I was using a more realistic mockup.
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Inappropriate?I tried your new font selector and immediately felt that none of the fonts looked good enough compared to Comic. I did not buy the Small Block font (which looks the best). I did try most of my fonts, even downloaded a free architect font, but hated every single one.
For whatever reason, I got an emotional feeling against any other font when viewing my mockups. Am I crazy? Perhaps not, as I think your post here makes perfect sense now.
I agree that there should NOT be a font selector, and just go with Small Block Architect. Letting users choose font will invited them to try and make realistic pixel perfect mockups. Something I am very against. The purpose of Mockup is low fidelity design.
- Let's not muddy the waters.
I’m thankful
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Inappropriate?I like the new font better.
Choose C and make the free font selection an option for customers who do have a specific corporate design guideline.
Or just offer Comic and architect and that's it ... fewer choices for the users is sometimes good!
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Inappropriate?ARRGHHH! I can't believe this, but it's happening. It appears that once again, I spoke too soon. It turns out that Flash does not "automagically create bold and italic versions of the font", or, rather, it only works if you have the font installed on your machine (which I happen to do). Grrrr
I have written the font designer to find out how much a family-pack would cost to produce and license, we'll see what he says. This will take a while...thanks for your input everyone.
I’m beginning to think this feature is cursed
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Inappropriate?The new font is nice, but the old font looks "rougher." From the aspect of "leaving no customer behind", I think you might want to add additional font options, not take away what (some) people are used to now. It seems like designers are more irritated by this than developers... I don't know what it would do to existing/old mockups to change the font suddenly. My vote is add it but don't delete Comic Sans.
I’m thinking of users
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Kristi, you have a good point, and I must admit, I am really tempted to punt on making any changes again... -
Inappropriate?Another data-point. The screenshot below is from a build which uses Architect Small Block, but this time embedded in the app (i.e. what someone who didn't have the font installed would see):

It's horrible, Flash is doing a TERRIBLE job at displaying the font.
Wouldn't you agree?
Comic Sans MS looks very appealing again...
I’m exhausted by the roller-coaster and thinking that maybe if I didn't develop so much "in the open" I'd be less stressed out right now?
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Inappropriate?Yes, this display is unacceptable. Don't be stressed - your users just need to understand (many of them who work on software themselves, obviously!) that we can't always easily DO what we'd like to do. Comic Sans will continue to work fine until there is a better solution that can practically (and without an excess of expense) be implemented.
I’m not happy when Peldi's not happy!
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Thanks Kristi, I really appreciate the comforting words. I have learned a lesson today...I'll blog about it when the dust in my head settles a bit. :) -
Inappropriate?To cheer myself up, I just added two features I've been meaning to add for a long time:
- Arrows (for markup)
- "Lorem Ipsum magic trick" (just type "Lorem" into a paragraph control and see what happens :)
Check them out here: http://www.balsamiq.com/demos/mockups... or for your desktop here: http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mock...
They will end up in the official build soon, I am batching a bunch of changes (including Image Upload and maybe Printing support)...maybe we'll call it 1.5.
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Hey, cheers me up, too -- both of these are immediately useful. A quick suggestion for each: Arrows could use a color selector and thickness control, and that neat Lorem trick should be available in TextArea as well. Thanks! -
Lorem ipsum is a nice trick. I notice you need to type it in exaclty as "Lorem" with uppercase "L". -
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Inappropriate?Architect gives a more polished look, but then again I agree with Brett ! It would go for option B if graphic designers are really allergic to Comic Sans.
I’m confident
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Inappropriate?Adding a better font is a nice addition, however after seeing what happens if you don't have the font installed it's not giving any improvement at this stage, pending feedback from the font author I'm happy with it staying as Comic Sans.
While being able to change the font may be handy, it doesn't really feel to add much functionality of use, and seems counter to Mockups' purpose, which is in my mind to keep things simple and do mockups that aren't too close to a final product.
I'd say if you plan to add it, cool, but do it in your own time.. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything while it's not available.
I’m happy
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Inappropriate?Are there really no free architectures fonts? I too dislike Comic Sans but spending a bigger amount of cash for a font is overkill for a scribble application in my eyes.
Since your wife draws all the mockups wouldn’t it be logical if you scan her handwriting too? :)
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Inappropriate?A quick search bought up at least 3, possibly 4 free ones..
http://www.fonts4free.net/flux-font.html
http://www.fonttrader.com/detailed~na...
http://www.abstractfonts.com/font/5197
http://fonts.appliedlanguage.com/alph... ER Architecht (not sure about licensing tho)
I’m happy
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Inappropriate?I like the ability to choose your font. Or at least have a choice of a handful of different ones. Its useful to be able to use different fonts with bolds and/or italics in the same mockup, especially when you want to show basic serif/san serif differences. Too many choices may be overkill though. Also, i have no problem with comic sans. Yes, it tends to be over used, but it fits with the motif of the software.
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Inappropriate?The purpose of selecting a different font is not clear to me. It draws your attention to details and this is what I just want to avoid in this stage of prototyping. Take the moaning of designers as a chance to clarify, what this low-fidelity mockup is for. And after all I think, Comic Sans supports the "sketchiness" (does this word exist?) of the mockups pretty well. I would suggest to keep it and use the money for something else!
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Inappropriate?I am late to reply to this (and I think choose your own font is still in current versions?) but I would be wary of locking everyone into a font that doesn't support the full set of Unicode glyphs - if I need to display something to indicate (for example) that a text field should support Chinese or other double-byte characters, I can do that if you let me choose Arial Unicode or another "complete" Unicode font
I’m unsure
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Inappropriate?what's wrong with letting the user choose fonts from what's already installed? or is it cuz its all done in flash :S
I’m alright!
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Hi Aaron, you can now select your favorite font in the Desktop version via a configuration file. Instructions here: http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mock... -
Inappropriate?I'm still a fan of adding the Architect font as a default, while giving the user the option to change back to Comic Sans or the system _sans font.
The fact that many designers (including myself) resent Comic Sans means that they will be distracted by it when they look at mockups, which sort of defies the whole purpose of lo-fi mockups.
The current config-file based method for changing the font can remain in place for power uses who really really really need a specific font. For the rest of us, it should just be a legible high-quality sketchy font that *isn't* Comic Sans.
If Flash keeps messing up the font rendering on Architect, forget it, though. Comic Sans isn't half as crappy as people make it out to be. It's just been hanging around with the wrong people.
I’m relaxed
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Inappropriate?Originally I thought why can't I change the font - I have an inbuilt dislike for Comic Sans Serif - but after thinking about this a bit more, I agree with others that changing the font to anything else (other than system) would be a distraction at this stage of the design - it isn't as important as I thought it was originally. I have to be honest I don't think I'd have bought the product if it only came with Comic Sans Serif, so having system font actually made me buy it. I'll always negatively associate Comic Sans with childrens party invites and novice PC users and applications - maybe that's why it was chosen though ;)
Just one bug/problem with the system font, the auto size doesn't work properly, the bottom of j's g's etc get cut off. I have to manually resize labels, adding more height, so the text isn't cut off.
I’m OK with system font, but please no comedy sans serifin'
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Inappropriate?To Comic Sans' credit, every other font I've tried has failed. Comic Sans is the only font that looks somewhat sketchy and is still properly legible.
Architect seems like a very good alternative if the kerning issues are sorted out. It'll definitely get designers on board a lot more easily.
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